Gates, Epstein, the CIA, vaccination and global surveillance. Kennedy and Whitney Webb are connecting the dots

by Children’s Health Defense Team

Investigative journalist Whitney Webb told Children’s Health Defense Chairman Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., on the “RFK Jr. The Defender Podcast,” that vaccine passports are part of a global plan to tie together vaccine status, economic activity and biometric identity. In this interview, Whitney Webb dives deep into the murky relationship between now-deceased pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, billionaire Bill Gates and other Silicon Valley elite. There is a “deliberate coverup,” said Webb, of the true ties between Gates and Epstein. Many of the Silicon Valley elites “are part of something called the Edge Foundation,” which is how “Epstein was able to connect so intimately with a lot of the individuals who would later become the Silicon Valley elite,” Web told Kennedy. Many of today’s big Silicon Valley companies have origins tied to the intelligence community, said Webb. The Central Intelligence Agency’s venture capital arm, In-Q-Tel, invested in technologies deemed useful to intelligence forces, and when they did, they had a hand in the company’s product development, Webb explained. Webb also told Kennedy about her opinions on vaccine passports, which, she says, aren’t just about tracking vaccines, but are a part of a global plan to move towards a cashless, digital-banking based society where vaccine status, economic activity and biometric identity are all tied into one.

So for people that think the vaccine passports will just be for the COVID-19 vaccine, that’s not true either. This framework also is for literally any vaccination that the state determines is required.

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The following is a transcript of this podcast. Also see related article.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Hi everybody, if you don’t know who Whitney Webb is, or if you don’t read her stuff, then you’re missing probably the best investigative reporter in America today. And I really want to talk you about the passports, but mostly about Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein, I know you’re doing a book about that right now, about their odd, strange [inaudible].
But I will say this, I don’t know how you do it Whitney, how you do your research, but you are more dialed in than anybody that I know and understand the gravity of what’s happening, and who all the characters are. And the role, not only of the pharmaceutical industry, but the banks, financial industry, intelligence agencies and others in I guess what people would now call the Great Reset. [inaudible] is used as leveraging that we’re seeing of the pandemic to impose these totalitarian controls, and these huge cultural and value shifts and structural shifts in American democracy.

Whitney writes for her own website which is called Unlimited Hangout, and she also writes often for The Defender, thank you for doing that. And also for The Last American Vagabond. Her stories are the kind of stories that I just wait to come out and excited when I see anything new that you’ve written. Let’s talk about Bill Gates and his friend, Jeffrey Epstein. And was that really a friendship? What was going on there?

Whitney Webb: Well, it’s hard to describe exactly the nature of the relationship in that sense, because a lot of the way the people around Epstein were, it’s hard to really call them friends, because a lot of the way that that network operates is through blackmail, even on people that are technically on their side. So it’s a very dog eat dog world, I guess you could say. Friends may sort of be a loose term in a way that regular people understand it. When you’re talking about this type of ruling elite, they have a very different mentality and a very different approach to friendship maybe than the average person would.
But what’s particularly notable about the Bill Gates/Jeffrey Epstein relationship is that even now that it’s being talked about in mainstream circles in connection with the Gates’ divorce. The mainstream media continues to assert that they did not meet until 2011. There is a mountain of evidence in my opinion that suggests that this is categorically false and that they actually knew each other back in the 1990s.

I first stumbled upon this in 2019 when I was doing an investigative series on the Epstein scandal. There was a scrubbed article from January 22nd, 2001, that had originally been published in the Evening Standard of a well respected UK newspaper. Talking about Prince Andrew and his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. And the part on Jeffrey Epstein and the reason it was scrubbed, it appears to have been scrubbed during the period of his first arrest, between 2006 and 2007, is because it mentions the fact that Jeffrey Epstein at some point before the publication of that article had openly claimed to have been working in collaboration with the Central Intelligence Agency, the CIA. So of course, the revelations that later came to light about Epstein, obviously the powers that be, the National Security State, didn’t want to have any obvious ties hanging around there, so that article ended up disappearing.

But what was also notable about that article and what stuck out to me is that since this was published in 2001, there’s a line in there talking about Epstein, saying that Epstein was a billionaire hedge fund manager, or property developer, which was sort of the theme at the time in articles about Epstein. But it says that Epstein made his millions through his business links with three individuals, Leslie Wexner, Donald Trump, and Bill Gates being the third. Which is pretty significant when you consider the closeness of someone like Donald Trump and Leslie Wexner, to Jeffrey Epstein, to have Bill Gates on a list alongside those two individuals, suggest the ties were rather close.

At least one Epstein victim that I’ve spoken to personally, who was embroiled in Epstein’s network from 1995 to 1996, said that she heard Epstein and Maxwell talk about Bill Gates like they knew him really well. And of course we know that Nathan Myhrvold, who was chief technology officer of Microsoft throughout the 1990s, one of Bill Gates closest confidants who co-wrote his book, The Road Ahead in the late 90s, very much involved in Microsoft’s business and Bill Gate’s life as well, was very close to Jeffrey Epstein during the 1990s. He traveled with him actually to Russia as part of a Microsoft Russia Conference. There’s photographs of Epstein being a part of that trip, along with a journalist, sort of a digital media journalist named Esther Dyson.

Esther Dyson, Bill Gates, Nathan Myhrvold, with a lot of the Silicon Valley elite are part of something called the Edge Foundation, which is basically how Epstein was able to connect so intimately with a lot of the individuals that would later become the Silicon Valley elite. This includes people like Jeff Bezos, Kimbal and Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Nathan Myhrvold, and some other names as well also, and responsible for how he ended up having dinners with people like Google co-founder Sergey Brin. All of these people were connected to the Edge Foundation, which was founded by this literary agent, who also has ties to the National Security State, named John Brockman.

From about 2001 to 2017, Epstein was pretty much the main donor to the Edge Foundation, and it was basically an influence operation for him. It’s interesting to see that a lot of these tech names that surround Epstein also have Edge in common. But beyond that, Nathan Myhrvold was also reported to, when he created Intellectual Ventures after leaving Microsoft in 2000, he would receive “Young women” and “Russian models” from Jeffrey Epstein at the offices of this firm, which is quite unsettling when you consider the implications of that and what Russian models and all of this stuff would later come to mean when more information about the case came out.

So I think there is a really deliberate coverup of these Gates/Epstein ties. We also know for a fact that Melanie Walker, who is actually currently co-chair of the World Economic Forums Futures Council, that sort of gaming out a lot of this technocratic takeover was actually, she was one of the advisors to the Gates Foundation, I believe beginning in 2005. And she got that job because prior to that, she was the science advisor for Jeffrey Epstein.

Basically, Melanie Walker when she graduated from college was recruited by Jeffrey Epstein, offered a modeling job at Victoria Secret, and then as soon as she graduated from medical school I believe in 1998, she became his personal science advisor, guiding his science investments at the time that he began to move into this Edge Foundation network. Once she applied to basically fulfill the same position at the Gates Foundation, her resume was having been Jeffrey Epstein science advisor. So for Bill Gates and Melinda to hire her and not know who Jeffrey Epstein was at the time, is honestly kind of ludicrous. Why would you hire someone whose resume is being a science advisor for this person but you don’t know who that person is? Obviously they would have had to investigate if they didn’t already know. But the facts that I’ve mentioned earlier are also significant.

And aside from Epstein, before I forget. In the 1990s, it’s definitely documented that Bill Gates had a cozy business relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell’s sister Isabel Maxwell, who was intimately involved in intelligence operations as well, specifically involving tech ventures. And that includes not just with Bill Gates, but also with Paul Allen. But in the case of Bill Gates, Isabel statements about Bill Gates in the year 2000 in an article in the Guardian, are very odd. Isabel Maxwell speaks with a British accent, but in speaking about Bill Gates to this Guardian journalist, she adopts a fake Southern belle accent. This is how the Guardian describes it, “And starts purring,” as she talks about how Bill Gates was looking to pay low taxes and had basically offered money to her, the company she was leading at the time, Commtouch, which was basically deeply tied to Israeli intelligence networks that her father Robert Maxwell had been intimately involved in. And it appears that the way for that money transfer to Commtouch from Bill Gates, the way for that to be tax free, it wasn’t through Microsoft, it was very likely through one of the investment vehicles associated with the Gates Foundation that was set up around that same time.

So to be tied to the Maxwell’s, Nathan Myhrvold, and all of this stuff, there’s a lot of indicators that the relationship predates 2011. I’m just investigating with opensource material, obviously mainstream media has a lot more resources than I do, and they have showed no interest in looking into ties that predate 2011. So I think that’s very telling, even with these new revelations that are coming out about the Bill Gates/Jeffrey Epstein relationship. They do not want to look at the period before that, and I think they really should. And so hopefully this piece I have coming out in the next week or so, will shed light on that, but it’s definitely…

Oh, and before I forget too, Melanie Walker, the science advisor that went from Epstein to Gates, is also the person that introduced Bill Gates to Boris Nikolic, who later was also his science advisor a few years later, I believe. And who also named as Jeffrey Epstein’s, the backup executor to his will after his death was announced in the fall of 2019. So there’s definitely indications that there were a lot of, that the cozy ties that have since been described by mainstream media from 2011 on, definitely existed well before then. And so the question is why is mainstream media so reluctant to look into the actual origins of that relationship. I think there is cause for concern there for sure.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: I watched the documentary on Jeffrey Epstein and the young women, but there was nothing in there about Russian models. But the way that you said it, it’s something that you apparently think is well known. What is that connection?

Whitney Webb: Jeffery Epstein was known to recruit a lot of women and also purchase underaged girls from their parents, from Eastern Europe, from former Soviet countries. So a lot of the women that were seen around him and in his entourage during the 90s and also later on, generally were of Eastern European or Russian descent, and so were often described as being his Russian models. And some of them of course later came out were underage. One of them at least would turn into a collaborator with the whole operation, and that particular woman, it said on the record that she was purchased by Jeffrey Epstein from her parents I believe in what was once Yugoslavia, at the age of 15.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: You mentioned a lot of the big Silicon Valley leadership, you didn’t mention Eric Schmidt. Eric Schmidt is probably the figure whose ties to the intelligence community have been most abundantly documented. Eric of course was the CEO I think for Google during its early years, and is now the-

Whitney Webb: He’s everywhere these days.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: He’s everywhere. Will you talk about the involvement of the intelligence community, of the US intelligence community with Silicon Valley and-

Whitney Webb: Oh yeah, absolutely. So a lot of the big Silicon Valley companies today, really their origins will have intimate ties to the intelligence community. Some obvious examples a lot of people know for, some people know at least is the case of Palantir, which was set up by Peter Thiel in 2003, they say 2004, but their record show that it was actually 2003, They were largely funded both by Thiel himself fresh off of the sale of PayPal, alongside In-Q-Tel, the CIAs venture capital firm. And CIA was their only client for the first three years of their existence.
Another major Silicon Valley company Oracle, Larry Ellison’s company began as a spinoff of a CIA project of the same name that Ellison was involved in, and then it later became the company it is today. Google also took In-Q-Tel funding and there’s-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Explain what In-Q-Tel is because some people may not know that.

Whitney Webb: Sure. It’s the CIAs venture capital arm that they use to make investments in technology they think will be of use to the intelligence community in the future. When In-Q-Tel invests in a company, it’s not just money with no strings attached, the people from In-Q-Tel and from the CIA become involved in the company’s product development and other things. Basically-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: In-Q-Tel really had almost dual pedigrees with many of the Silicon Valley firms. When Silicon Valley first launched, one of the go to funders immediately, that’s the same time that CIA launched In-Q-Tel, which was a venture capital firm. Generally speaking, it interviewed I think 3,400 startups during the early days of Silicon Valley and began putting money in, we don’t know how many, but into potentially thousands of the initial startups.

Whitney Webb: Yes, mm-hmm (affirmative). And even beyond that, a lot of companies that were later acquired by big companies like Google, Microsoft et cetera, themselves were started up with funding from In-Q-Tel. So, the In-Q-Tel funding has continued since then in more indirect ways. There’s a couple of other companies as well that are worth noting, but I guess in the interest of time, I will point out that the National Security State in Silicon Valley, that alliance that I argue was forged with the origin of a lot of these companies, is pretty obvious today. You look at something like the National Security Commission on AI, on artificial intelligence, which is basically this commission that was created to basically chart the course for the US government’s policy with artificial intelligence and emerging tech. It’s chaired by Eric Schmidt, the co-chair is a former deputy secretary of defense under Obama, who was personal friends with Eric Schmidt. And their membership of that National Security Commission is almost entirely top executives at the biggest Silicon Valley companies.

You have one, the current head of In-Q-Tel, a former head of In-Q-Tel, people that used to lead the intelligence community’s equivalent of DARPA, and various other intelligence operatives, all coming together to decide basically the future of US government policy, as it relates to automation and artificial intelligence, the fourth investor revolution, whatever you want to call that development there. They’re being quite open about their ties. And also Silicon Valley companies today, a lot of them are open contractors to the US government or National Security State, or the military. For example, the move towards cloud computing, we have Microsoft managing the Pentagon’s cloud now, Amazon is the webmaster for almost the entire intelligence community. Pretty much every intelligence agencies and other agencies like the Department of Homeland Security use Palantir, which is basically in my opinion, still a CIA front company in a lot of ways.

And actually to go back to Palantir, I think it’s really important to emphasize that the reason that company was created was because a failed surveillance effort that was a 9/11 related surveillance effort that was called Total Information Awareness, had basically been shutdown due to public outrage because basically DARPA which is basically-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: That was [Poindexter’s] baby, right?

Whitney Webb: Yes, yes. So Poindexter who was the highest ranking member of the Reagan administration to be arrested or convicted of his role in Iran contra, was the person that was put in charge of this Total Information Awareness Office, or Information Awareness Office, that was operating out of DARPA for a period of only a few months. And actually it got major pushback at the time from mainstream media and the ACLU and other organizations, because they rightly said that it would eliminate privacy for the individual American, basically forever, and it would be used by the government to profile domestic dissidence.
And basically, after that program was shut down, it had several different components, but the main component was basically a program that would synthesize all of this information taken from all these different sources, and analyze them and make them intelligible to people that work in the National Security State. And all of a sudden you have-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: It was mega data harvesting. They’d look at every text, every email, listen to every conversation, find keywords, archive it, categorize it and make it so that it could be monetized and weaponized, essentially.

Whitney Webb:Yeah. And it was even beyond that as well, it was also peoples media consumption, their newspaper subscriptions. This is before the internet was the main source of peoples information. So magazine subscriptions, what books you buy, those type-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: It’s basically it was the first real effort at pre-crime like in that movie, Minority Report. I think some of the people who were involved in it actually ended up making that movie.

Whitney Webb: That would not surprise me. What’s really interesting about Total Information Awareness as well is that it wasn’t just about stopping terrorist attacks before they happen, which is the original pitch. There was actually one aspect called bio-surveillance that was about stopping bio-terrorists before they could strike in the wake of the anthrax attacks. But also tagged on to that was pandemics before they can happen. And we’ve seen a lot of those policies be resurrected relatively recently. But I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself. But basically after that was shut down, around 2003 Palantir was created a few months later. It came out later that Richard Perle, one of the architects of the Iraq war, and one of the neocons in the Bush administration and previously in the Reagan administration, was helping Thiel and Alex Karp, who is now the head of Palantir, set up this company to be a privatized total information awareness. And they actually contacted Poindexter and invited him to Richard Perle’s house, to meet with all of them to discuss how they could build this in a way that was private sector and not publicly associated with the military.

And what happened is that a lot of these different aspects of Total Information Awareness, were never actually shut down. A couple of them stayed in different, were sent off to different intelligence agencies at the time. Other ones were just privatized. But basically the way they solved the issue was by taking the military out of the equation.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Right. But also I think the beginning of Facebook was associated with the… I think Facebook began the day that Total Information Awareness program was terminated.

Whitney Webb: Well that’s almost correct, yes. So Total Information Awareness was shut down a little before, but there was a related program that was operating in the same office within DARPA called LifeLog. And LifeLog is essentially what Facebook became, and was also criticized and was terminated before it began basically because of concerns about profiling domestic dissidence, among other things and basically track an entire person’s life. But actually one of the main purposes of it also, was to gather all this data from a person’s life from birth to grave, basically and use that to create a more human artificial intelligence and humanized AI, and things like that.

But yes, the day that LifeLog was completely terminated is the day that Facebook was formally incorporated, and then a few months later, you have Peter Thiel who’s trying to rebuild the Total Information Awareness Office. Become the first outside investor in Facebook, which was essential to the company’s survival, it would not have become what it is today without that initial investment from Peter Thiel. And the person that got Thiel involved was a man named Sean Parker, who was also very involved in the Edge Foundation I was mentioning earlier, who if you read profiles of him, the CIA tried to recruit him at the age of 16. He doesn’t say if he said no, he leaves it very open ended. So it’s definitely interesting, that connection there.

And of course now we have Facebook openly collaborating with this attempt to launch a war on domestic terror. They basically have profiled people. And the way a lot of this war on domestic terrorist is set to go is, it’s set to be very social media heavy, which is very unfortunate. They basically posed, sold social media to the public as a town square where you can interact with people and all of this, but its really become much more powerful with these separate purposes that are of obvious interest to the National Security community, are beginning to take over.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Its become an instrument, the most powerful instrument ever of totalitarianism, which is total knowledge. And I wanted to talk to you about vaccine IDs because this is part of this trajectory, and it’s all the same characters that you’ve been talking about, who had been planning it out for years. But let me just ask you one little idiosyncratic question that I’ve always been curious. How much do we know about the relationship between the intelligence communities and some of these DNA testing groups like 23andMe?

Whitney Webb: Well 23andMe is I believe owned by Anne Wojcicki, who is married to the Google co-founder Sergey Brin. I don’t know exactly how they share this data, it appears to be in quite the hands of private individuals and private companies. But I personally haven’t investigated their ties, ties of companies like 23andMe specifically to the intelligence community. But I do know that another similar service,, which also offers these DNA tests was recently bought by Blackstone Capital, and Steve Schwarzman there is very involved with Eric Schmidt in a lot of these intelligence adjacent organizations. So it’s definitely concerning.

But I think the cozy relationship and the fact that companies like Google and Microsoft and all of these double as contractors to the intelligence and military community. When they end up amassing a lot of this genomic data and DNA data, it’s very likely they end up sharing with the intelligence community because we do know, for example from the Edward Snowden revelations, the second the National Security State comes knocking on the doors of these corporations, they’re more than happy to give away your data to the government.

So to think they want to do that now is pretty naïve. A lot of COVID testing actually that’s been going on in the United States, has been going on through what I believe is a subsidiary of a Google subsidiary called Verily, it’s called Project Baseline, and that’s why a lot of people that have had to do COVID-19 tests in the US, have to sign up through their Google account. You’re essentially tying all your activity on the internet to Google now, to your DNA, as far as the company is concerned by participating in tests that tie the results of the test to your Gmail account or your Google account, for example. Because Google harvests or saves rather, every search you ever enter, every video on YouTube you watched. They read and scan your emails if you use Gmail, and they combine all of that with your DNA data.

And there’s actually, I would argue, evidence that they’re very interested in getting their hands in as much DNA data as possible right now. One could argue it’s because they’re looking to develop a lot more healthcare focused artificial intelligence algorithms. But as one example, last September Google teamed up with part of the Pentagon, that’s a relatively new part of the Pentagon called Defense Intelligence Unit to basically develop a way to, they say predictively diagnose disease through artificial intelligence. And they’re claiming to focus on cancer at first, but basically it meant that they plan to apply this to COVID-19 at some point in the near future.

In my report on this it became quite clear as I researched it, that the reason Google really wanted this partnership was to be able to access all of the medical records in medical image databases that are held by the military, which are actually the largest in the world apparently. And so that’s a huge data mining opportunity for this healthcare related stuff, and since a lot of these same Silicon Valley entities are very interested in this new push to basically replace the existing medical system with this, what they describe as a personalized medical system where you get, you don’t even have to go see a doctor, and it’s all based on wearable technology and tailored to your DNA, and gene therapies for cancer and all this stuff, which is actually what the mRNA vaccines were mainly being pitched for use for before COVID-19, and things like that. It becomes pretty clear that they are very interest in this type of information.

But unfortunately, there hasn’t been a lot of interest in mainstream media or people with more resources than people like myself and really looking into what exactly is going on with your DNA data. I honestly don’t think they want people to know. But unfortunately in the United States and in a lot of other countries, people are like, “Well, I don’t care if these companies have my data,” but I don’t think they really realize why these companies want it and what they plan to use it for.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Let’s talk about ID2020 and what it has essentially evolved or devolved into the proposals for vaccine passports. Something that incidentally when I wrote this a year ago, I was announced as a conspiracy theorist.

Whitney Webb: Funny how that works.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Let’s hear what’s the skimmy on that.

Whitney Webb: Well basically I reported in January that there was an effort that was backed largely by Silicon Valley companies and some electronic healthcare records companies, to create basically the framework for all vaccine passports globally, that was called the Vaccine Credential Initiative. And basically the way they were setting this up was, not only would this be a vaccine passport system, but it would also be tied at some point to your economic activity and to other things as well. And even the developer of this framework who works for Microsoft said in his Zoom panel describing all of this stuff, that someday you may need to show your vaccine passport to be able to rent a car, for example, and things like that.

At the same time we’re having this vaccine passport push, the same people that are heavily promoting that agenda are also promoting this move to mobile banking, digital banking, cashless society, things like these. There’s efforts to have people use basically mobile based digital wallets, this is something heavily promoted for example, by the National Security Commission on AI, that we talked about earlier.
So for people that think this is going to just be a single, the vaccine passports will just be for the COVID-19 vaccine, that’s not true either. This framework also is for literally any vaccination that the state determines is required. They’re setting it up to be a much larger system than just a COVID-19 specific system. And I forgot to mention this, sorry. So it’s not only is it vaccine status and economic activity they’re trying to tie it to by a metric identity, which of course is the ultimate goal of the ID2020 Alliance, which has a lot of involvement of course from Bill Gates funded entities, Silicon Valley companies and the Rockefeller Foundation, which seems to co-invest rather frequently in these types of initiative with the Gates’.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: What is transhumanism and why do these guys, what makes all of these people interested?

Whitney Webb: Well, they really are all interested in-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: I know it’s really weird, but tell people what it is first.

Whitney Webb: Well, it’s-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Let me try, it’s a merger of between flesh and blood human beings, and essentially virtual human beings, as well as AI machinery.

Whitney Webb: The analogy a lot of people like to use at least from science fiction that may be accessible to a lot of people, is the Borg from Star Trek. That’s basically transhumanism in a nutshell, at least for people that are cynical and critical of it. Promoters of it say it will usher in a new age of human augmentation and whatnot, but that doesn’t really seem to be the case for the people that are openly advocating for it. At least not for the masses of people.

Actually people like Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum, and people like that are really open about how they view transhumanism, but they avoid using that word. They use things like bio-digital convergence, emerging of our physical biological and virtual identities and things like this. And that’s why a lot of this science that’s sort of developed around it, funded largely by people like Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates people related and philanthropists and things like this have created a crisper technology that can now install dual core machines inside living cells, and stuff like this. These are some recent developments. Why on earth would a normal person want to fund, spend millions and millions of dollars funding something like that? These people are very interested in this type of technology for a couple of reasons.
One, the elite. If you look at their investments, are very concerned about aging and basically their mortality. That’s why you have someone like Peter Thiel investing in these startups that provide young blood, the blood of young people to paying customers, as a way to keep them young. Things like this that sounds really crazy to most people, but to these guys it’s, “Ah, great. I can stay young forever.” And all of this stuff, and a lot people like… In the case of Jeffrey Epstein too, he wanted to come back as a transhumanoid. He wanted to have his, according to the New York Times, he wanted to have his head and genitalia frozen, and then put back together in some sort of formulated body so he can end up living forever.

There’s people in the elite that have talked about how they want to have their minds uploaded to the cloud, and all of this stuff. It’s really just the misuse of technology that is much more advanced than it has been at any other time in human history by a group of elites that for a very long time have sought immortality by various means.
In my opinion, these people, this mentality goes back really thousands of years to this view, the view of nature as something that needs to be conquered and dominated and not something to be worked with and live in harmony with. I think the logical conclusion of that type of mentality comes with viewing the merging of men and machine, something made by man as the pinnacle of human evolution, using technology to keep nature at bay, and to bend nature to the will of these people and things like these. I think that is essentially where these people are coming from. It’s sort of the logical conclusion of concentrating all of that wealth in the hands of a minority that thinks these things.

But as far as them wanting immortality for themselves, they’re also pretty open about why they want transhumanism for the masses as well, and a lot of this has to do, unsurprisingly with control. And there’s actually a speaker, well he’s an Israeli historian named Yuval Noah Harari, and he’s one of the most popular speakers at the World Economic Forum. He’s very cozy with Mark Zuckerberg, Barak Obama, and various famous people. He gave a very important speech at the 2020 Davos meeting, World Economic Forum meeting, which of course was just two months before the COVID-19 crisis really took hold. And basically what he says there is that as soon as people, citizens are mandated or these technologies achieve mass use, begin using wearables, allow the government to monitor what’s going on in their body and in their brain, is when we enter into an era of digital dictatorship. And these are his words, and that people who decline to be part of that will become part of a new global useless class. Again, his words. And he says it’s better to be exploited that useless.

He basically at the end of his speech calls on the World Economic Forum to use these technologies to make a better world, they say, but these are people like Eric Schmidt attend this stuff, they’re not exactly looking to create a better world in a sense that people like you and me would imagine. So it’s definitely very dystopian. And basically the way in that same speech Harari describes the use of this technology, is that the analogy he gives is, okay so a person is listening to a speech from the leader of the state, and they outwardly are clapping, and they outwardly look happy, but some sort of surveillance wearable or plantable device can tell that this person is internally angry when looking at the image of the leader. And according to Harari, he’ll end up in the gulag the next morning. Those are his words.
So it really couldn’t have been more blatant. This is a guy outlining this whole vision for this society in front of the Davos elite, and basically being like, “Please make this world…” It’s very concerning. And when you actually bother to read the words of people like Klaus Schwab and other influencers in this sphere, it’s definitely very concerning. And the fact that so many elite that have so much power, especially the Silicon Valley elite, are so invested in these technologies, and of course their ties to the intelligence community, really the power structure in the US at this point is really pushing for this, and they’re doing it in various guises. This push towards wearables is going to become huge, probably even the next couple of months, if not the next year.
So under the Biden administration, the top science advisor to Biden is actually under fire for his ties to, surprise, surprise, to Jeffrey Epstein. And Epstein’s claim that he funded Eric Lander, Biden’s top science advisor to-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: And also, he was one… Charles Lever who was at Harvard, I think he was a colleague of Lander’s. But he was another transhuman guy. He was arrested-

Whitney Webb: Arrested, yeah.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:… Right after the COVID-19 broke out for sending technology he was working on. He was part of the [inaudible] Group, for sending that technology to China. We don’t really know why he was arrested.

Whitney Webb: Yeah, it is kind of a mystery as far as I’m aware. But as far as Eric Lander goes, this guy is very deeply tied to Silicon Valley. He’s been the head of the Broad Institute for a very long time. Now the chair of the board or the Broad Institute is Eric Schmidt, and you have prominent people from Silicon Valley on the board of the Broad Institute. Eric Schmidt, in addition to being the chair of the board, is also one of the biggest donors to the Broad Institute, recently giving them $150 million endowment to examine how to basically merge biology with machines in order to discover the programs of life and stuff like this. And basically a carefully warded way to develop transhumanist technology, and this is the person that Biden basically elevated for the first time in US political history, to the level of a cabinet lever position as the top science advisor.

This recently pitched agency, the creation of this health DARPA, or HARPA, Eric Lander is set to be very much in charge of that and intimately involved in that. They’re claiming to be focused on cancer and fighting different diseases, but I recently wrote, if you read between the lines of this policy, it’s definitely a recipe for a lot of the stuff we’ve been talking about today, this technocratic pre-crime system that seeks to both criminalize mental illness, physical illness, and wrong think, however you want to think of it, by basically allowing the government and the private sector to surveil what’s going on in your thoughts and in your body at any given time, and basically surveilling you in ways that we have never been able to really fathom before. It’s definitely a recipe for disaster on multiple levels because transhumanism is not just a threat to civil liberties and all of that, it’s really a threat to human existence and human society, what it means to be human.

And so it’s definitely a threat on a huge level, but really as defined by the people charting these policies, including the Harari guy I mentioned earlier. The watershed moment of the era when these digital dictatorships begin is when the masses begin to use wearables that are harvested by these companies tied to the state, or the state itself-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: I think like an Apple watch.

Whitney Webb: Yeah. Or Fitbit, Amazon has one now called the Amazon Halo that not only checks your vital signs, it also checks your emotional state throughout the day based on how you sound, and things like this. So they definitely are not just looking to surveil your health like they’re telling you or help you be fitter and all of this, they’re definitely taking it much further, and there’s actually talk now, there actually has been talk since 2018, of tying the use of wearables to health insurance policies. And some health insurance providers are considering mandating that for particular policy.

So whether the public sector or the private sector tries to mandate this stuff, they’re definitely moving forward with it, and there’s actually some startups that are being funded by the National Institute of Health, the National Science Foundation that aim to use wearables to, they say, solve the prison crisis in the US by closing all prisons but everyone becomes a prisoner in their own house, and they all have to wear all these different sensors, to make sure they can’t leave where they are. Make sure they’re not thinking about committing a crime, things like that. And even also for the opioid crisis, there’s a company that’s taken several, I forget exactly how much money NIH funds, several hundred thousand, I believe, to develop a wearable where if you have an opioid overdose, you’re given this wearable and it can tell if you have a craving or a relapse. And to see, the US government would obviously apply that to any other type of illicit substance.

It’s worth keeping in mind too that the whole mentality here, and they’ve been saying this for years now, is that data is the new oil, and this is because they want to feed as much data as possible into these artificial intelligence algorithms, because they think that will make them superior. These people are obsessed with achieving super intelligent AI, what they call the singularity. So they want to harvest as much data as possible per citizen, and this is pretty much admitted policy of the National Security Commission on AI that says the only way the US can be the top market leader and the top military power in the world and beat China and all of this stuff, is to harvest more data per citizen as soon as possible. And that’s why we’re seeing all of these pushes happen now.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: You were writing from Chile for a while.

Whitney Webb: Yeah.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: What happened down there? It went crazy, right?

Whitney Webb: Yeah, absolutely. So I’d actually been living-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: It’s like a [Pinochet] redacts almost.

Whitney Webb: Yeah, it’s very similar and it’s really no coincidence that the current government of Chile, the president is actually the brother of Pinochet’s finance minister. And a lot of people in that government had past ties to the dictatorship and things like that. But I actually lived in Chile for about seven years, I only really recently left, and I reluctantly left as well. My daughter was born there, my whole life was there, but of course with the onset of the whole COVID-19 crisis, basically overnight pretty much everything just shut down and things became very rapidly, very totalitarian. The situation now in Chile is that if quarantine is declared in the town or community where you live, you are only allowed out of your house twice a week for two hours a pop. So that’s a total of four hours per week, and all of that, you have to have papers that are provided by the police through a new police website. So you basically cannot leave your home without police permission, and it’s a very limited amount of time because that includes, those two hour permissions include travel time. So if you don’t live close to a supermarket or anything like that, you have even less time to do essential shopping.

They’re required for entry to most major supermarkets. Obviously there’s a mom and pop fruit and vegetable stands that don’t necessarily require them, but that’s really only a reality in much smaller towns than a large city or things like that. Luckily I was living in a rural area that avoided some of it for some time, but childcare services and things like that became very difficult. And then when quarantine was declared where I lived, I lost complete access to childcare because with these twice a week permissions, there’s really no way to go drop off your daughter or your child somewhere and pick them up in the same day, because you’d use both of those weekly permissions in a single day, just to have childcare. So the only possibility would have to drop my daughter off somewhere on a Monday and pick her up on a Friday, and how is that going to work? It’s not really feasible for a working mother.

So it’s definitely an unfortunate situation for sure, and there were cases of people being arrested for having incorrect papers, and this was being enforced by police a lot of the time. And then where I was living, in December it became the military enforcing this stuff. And this is going on just between even small cities. I had to go to a small town that was 20 minutes away from where I was living, I would have had to pass through basically what was a military checkpoint, have the right papers, and all of this stuff, in order to be allowed to go to the next city. It’s very extreme.

And basically this permission system functions in a lot of ways as what a vaccine passport is likely to do. But I think in the case of Chile, they showed that that type of totalitarian system can exist without a vaccine passport, it can just be implemented this way under the guise of the pandemic as well. Definitely an unfortunate situation but things are, I don’t really see them getting much better, unfortunately. And in the specific region I was living in is where there is a majority of the indigenous community of Chile who are known as the Mapuches, and there is a long standing issue between the Chilean government and them, and the Chilean government has its eyes on a lot of indigenous land, particularly in the mountains with interest in mining that. Chile is well known as a mining centric economy, one of the world’s largest copper producers, also lithium producers. A lot of those minerals have also been found in the South toward Patagonia, which is generally pristine. But a lot of that land is inaccessible to mining companies because of existing indigenous land laws.

So they’re basically setting up, and for the past year, have trying to declare martial law specifically in that region, as a way to basically framing Mapuches as terrorists, and basically creating this set up for a war on domestic terror within that particular region. The fact that I was living in that exact place made it, the writing was on the wall, and I had to figure out where to go at the last minute. So it’s an unfortunate situation, but I think Chile, like it was in the past when Pinochet was the dictator there, is often used as a test lab by the US, and some other western powers. Neo-liberalism for example, the neo-liberal model was developed in Chile by a US trained economist, trained at the University of Chicago. And other things have happened since then that have also been experiments. Chileans openly talk about this being reality, the fact that they’re often used as a test lab for the west. And I think what’s going on there now was really no coincidence. Whether that can succeed in a western country really depends on the type of resistance people are willing to show in the face of that type of policy.

It’s an unfortunate situation, but I think it’s really important that people know what’s going on there because it could really happen anywhere. It’s happening in places like Canada, and in certain parts of Australia and things like that. So they’re definitely moving along with these type of policies in places where they think they can have them stick.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: I was in Chile in 1973 during the Allende regime. I went down there [inaudible] The Atlantic Monthly and end up doing an article. But I caught up a revolution while I was down there and got shot at trying to get out of Chile, trying to get over to Argentina, I was chased by the army and had a lot of adventures. When we came back, I attended hearings, refugee hearings with my uncle, who was head of the refugee committee and had been pressuring Chile at that time. And I was told by the members of the regime in the United States Capitol, “Do not come back to Chile while Allende was in power.” So I stayed out until 1993, and then I went back to do a project working for the Mapuche, and was trying to [inaudible] River. And that was the greatest white water [inaudible] probably in the world besides the Colorado River here in the United States.

Then we went after that, and I was part of a group that helped to open up a little light flow river, which is down in Patagonia, in [inaudible], and then I went there almost every year in March to do kayaking and rafting in white water. But my kids were down there recently and ended up in a very serendipitous plan, ended up with a group of Mapuches near the town of [inaudible], and they took them to [inaudible] ceremony, and it was really at this incredible life changing factor, particularly one of my sons. It was interesting for me to hear these stories when I came back.

But I love Chile, I try to go there as much as possible, and actually the president of Chile [inaudible], and my uncle was [Kaddy] was, back when he was dying, she flew to [inaudible] to present him with the highest civilian medal for Chile, for the work that he had done in pressuring [inaudible] to finally do the election that he lost, and brought president Aylwin in, who was the first president after Pinochet.
Anyway, I don’t want to get [inaudible], I could talk to you all day about Chile. Whitney Webb, that is a scary picture of a frightening world that you’re painting, and thank you for continuing to probe, and continuing to inform us. Whitney Webb’s website is called, you can visit her, it is called-

Whitney Webb:

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: You can read Whitney Webb’s investigative reporting on her own website which is, and you can also see her writings on The Defender, and on The Last American Vagabond. Please go to Amazon and sign up today for her book on Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein. Let’s drive it to number one on the best seller list. And the name of that book is?

Whitney Webb: One Nation Under Blackmail. It’s actually about the union really between organized crime and intelligence agencies, the United States and Israel that give rise to Jeffrey Epstein, because he is just one piece of a much larger network.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: All right. Whitney, thank you for joining me. Please keep up the good work.

Whitney Webb: Absolutely, my pleasure. Thanks a lot.


Whitney Webb is the author of “One Nation Under Blackmail,” writes for her website, Unlimited Hangout, as well as The Last American Vagabond and The Defender, covering topics on intelligence, tech, surveillance and civil liberties.
To keep up with Webb and her work, follow her on Twitter or purchase her book.

Originally published in The Defender.


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